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Jim contributed (Sep 25th 2014)…

I have spent years trying to discover what became of my great great grandmother Julia Rason who disappears from all censuses after 1851 so the information given in the ‘Mystery alert’ box beneath the topic about ‘James Warner and the Gladstone Inn’ at
http://www.oldilkeston.co.uk/james-warner-and-the-gladstone-inn/ was a revelation. Where did this information come from?

Dave replied (Sep 25th 2014)…

There is little evidence that James Warner was ever married. However the 1861 census shows him with his ‘wife’ Julia at East Street, Ilkeston as a beerhouse keeper (at the Gladstone Inn). He died on May 9th 1867 at the inn and his widow continued to advertise in the Pioneer for some time after.

If you then look for ‘Julia Warner’ (born in Nottingham about 1826) on the 1871 census you find a suitable candidate at 14 Grosvenor Place in Nottingham, a seamstress, widow, with a boarder William Revell, a lace warper.
‘Julia Warner’ is not on the 1881 census but William Revell is, a ‘licenced victualler’ at the Nelson Railway Hotel in Kimberley and he now has a wife Julia!! Checking the marriages, we can find that William Revill married Julia Rason Warner in the 3rd quarter of 1880 in the Nottingham District (though I haven’t traced this marriage further)
From there it is fairly straightforward to find them on the 1891 census in Nottingham and then to find Julia’s death in 1900 (Jan-Mar, aged 73) also in the Nottingham District.

Finding Julia (Rason?) before 1861 is the next part of the puzzle and you have done this and no doubt discovered James McQueen Rason (her illegitimate son?) who gave his father as ‘James (dec)’ when he married Eliza Clayton in 1867.

I would think that the marriage details of Julia and William Revill would be revealing. As I have stated, I can find no evidence of her having ever married James Warner but if she did it would be between 1851 and 1861.

If you have any more information Jim, either conflicting or confirmatory, I would welcome it, … or perhaps in the future?

Jim replied (Sep 25 2014)…

I have been researching my mother’s side for a number of years so knew all about the variously-called Rason/McQueen clan but I lost Julia after 1851. The information you provided fits well apart from one or two things which may well be mistruths. I have the certificate for the marriage of Julia Rason Warner and William Revill. This took place at Nottingham Register Office on 30th October 1880 and Julia claimed that she was a 53 year old ‘Spinster’ and her father was ‘William Warner (deceased)’. If you take this at face value then this is not Julia Rason. However neither of these facts sits comfortably with other information we have. They both lived in Union Road, Nottingham at the time and William is described as a ‘Publican’ and Julia has no profession. I also have Julia Revill’s death certificate which is difficult to read but it looks as if she died of ‘Chronic nephritis and Bronchitis’ on 14th January 1900, aged 73. The address looks something like 121 Denison Street (but not sure), Nottingham North West. William Revill is described as ‘Lace Warper Journeyman’.

Although we cannot prove that Julia Rason Warner and Julia Rason are the same person I am inclined to agree with you that they are and this explains nicely why she disappears after 1851.

I am most grateful for the information you put on the website but am still intrigued as to why you went to all the trouble of investigating the background of Julia and her son James who was my great grandfather.

Dave replied (Sep 26th 2014)…

Thanks for this information which I’m going to put into the section on the Gladstone Inn in Burr Lane.
Members of the Warner family were important contributors to the history and fabric of Victorian Ilkeston and I felt it important to pursue as many aspects of their life as I could. I suppose this is why I followed the life of Julia, to see where it might lead and if it could add to the profile of the Warners, especially James.
As you concede, she does lead to many problems and contradictions.