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There are places I remember all my life ... ... the crossroads of North Street and Station Road, a stone's throw from the site of my first home, where -- in the pre-Chalons Way Era -- stood the Erewash Hotel, Starr and Brookes carpet shop, Wright's the gent's barber, and Wards the butchers who supplied the Tuesday tea of shop-made faggots for most in the neighbourhood. ... Little Dustpan, which I walked up and down on my way to and from Chaucer Infants' school, and then the Junior school, to hear the wise words of Ma Gormley and Mr Bateman, Polly Virgo and Jack Syson. ... the sardine tin that was Doug's Coffee Bar standing in the corner of the Market Place, next to the Church Institute where my mates and I would meet to listen to Eddie Cochran and Buddy Holly, Beatles and Kinks, Yardbirds and Fleetwood Mac (Mark 1), Dylan and Byrds, after a hard day's graft at the Grammar School (Mark 3) listening in a different way to Gibbo and Kenny Bettle, Ma Selby and Mr Shaw, Derek Akers and Dilys Gough, Max Payne et al. ... the old Buffalo Head pub in Durham City where I spent my first of several visits preparing for a next-day admissions interview (successful) at the University up the road. ... the Student Refectory at Nottingham University where the food prices were too high and the queues too long so that between lectures the pinball machine was cheaper and more attractive than eating. .. and despite it all, my formal education did provide me with some academic success to allow me many years of dishing it out to others.
  1. Cameron Mellor Reply

    George Scattergood alias Calladine

    Hi Dave, greetings from New Zealand. Your site is fantastic and it has helped me already.

    I am trying to find the marriage details for George Scattergood and Sarah Ellen Scott (born 1869 – I suspect her father’s name was James Scott) – their marriage was registered in 1887. In particular I am very keen to know their ages, marital status and parents’ names etc. I’m hoping to find the details, but can only find the index reference so far – Basford 7B pg 203. There was a potential clue that they were married at Babbington Chapel. I saw on another one of your pages (The Meadows Family) that someone had found the details to a Babbington Chapel marriage from 1866, so I am hoping there is a way for me to search somewhere for details of marriages from that location?

    Any help would be much appreciated!


    I believe that George Scattergood married Sarah Ellen Scott (born Manchester) in 1887 at Babbington Chapel, near Awsworth, Notts. Born in 1857, he was the son of George Scattergood snr, alias Calladine and Elizabeth (nee Turton)
    George snr was the illegitimate son of Amy Calladine and John Scattergood.
    The marriage records of Babbington Chapel have not been transcribed on-line as far as I am aware, and so the information you seek will only be available by purchasing the marriage certificate … Babbington was in the Basford Registration District. You can of course work backwards from the marriage, as I am sure you have done, but I think you need the certificate to be certain (and even then it may have some details missing … eg exact ages, addresses)

    Best wishes,


    Hi David
    Greetings from Australia
    I am a direct descendant of Captain Charles Gregory on my Fathers side.
    I have acquired from my fathers estate one of the Captains Sea Logs
    His Obituary
    His Compass
    His cufflinks
    I would be interested to know about the state of the Old Wine Vaults- I saw a realestate advertisement that showed the plaque outside honouring the memory of the Captain
    Is he still held in esteem by the resident or Ilkeston as part of their history?
    Is the new owner of the Vaults maintaining his connection to Ilkeston.

    Does the Council involve them selves in keeping his story alive/

    I would be interested to know.

    I look forward to hearing from you when you have a moment
    Kind regards

  3. Diana Draper Reply

    William, Grace and John Henshaw

    Hi Dave,
    May I firstly say how much I have enjoyed the Old Ilkeston site. You and your contributors have recorded many hours of research, free, for the benefit of us all tracing our Ilkeston heritage.
    I have had a problem with my research for many years and hope you or members of your site may be able to help me.
    Grace Gorse married WILLIAM HENSHAW at West Hallam in 1808. I found one child John born to them, baptised in ST MARYS NOTTINGHAM in 1815
    In 1834 GRACE married a JOHN HENSHAW In Duffield (on the same day her son John married Charlotte Musson/Muston also at Duffield.) Grace was classed as WIDOW and John widower.
    They all lived in Ilkeston for the rest of their lives. On one census on your site it states “Grace Henshaw widow of William Henshaw”how did you know this? My problem is, WHERE And WHEN did William die? Was he an Ilkeston Henshaw? If so when was he born and who were his parents? With so many HENSHAWS in Ilkeston it is hard to know. If I could only find his burial it would spare me on again after so many years hunting for him, and perhaps then find out his age at death and work out his birth date.
    Any help from you and members of your site would be much appreciated.
    Kind regards, and thanks again for a great site
    Diana Draper

  4. heidi Reply

    Wheeldon and Sanders families

    Hi Dave,
    Just an update on the Wheeldon & Sanders Families.
    William George Wheeldon, son of Amos and Sarah became a silk and lace manufacturer and owner with two factories one on North Street the other on Albert street. He sold both to a London company.
    (In his file at the local studies library were Alice Wheeldon the Derby suffragette who was accused of trying to kill Lloyd George paper cut outs and information, when I asked why I was told it was because they are of the same family, I have yet to find this to confirm).
    Also John Sanders Wheeldon a grandson of Amos and Sarah, was killed in the WW1 while fighting in Palestine, He is buried in modern day Israel at Ramla at the war cemetery. He was in the 1/5 Sussex Regiment and part of the Egyptian Expeditionary force EEF he was killed in 1918. I am looking into his story and will update you. He is on the war memorial in Ilkeston market place.

    Thank you

    Heidi wrote on Aug 6th …
    While doing some research I have found some of the (Wheeldon) family did live in Belper which is where the father of William Augustus Wheeldon (the father of Alice Wheeldon) was from. I clearly need to keep investigating so I can prove it one way or the other.
    John Sanders Wheeldon …his mother and father William George and Mary signed for his belongings which were returned to the UK after his death. I am currently trying to find his story too, I’m waiting to hear back from the battalion with any information they may have. When I get any information I will let you know.

  5. David Derbyshire Reply

    Herbert Moore
    Good morning
    Looking for information on Herbert Moore of 31 Rutland street Ilkeston
    I have a photograph of his diamond wedding anniversary in the mid 1950s however I am looking for his birth or his parents
    any clues any one

    Dave replied….
    If you are looking for answers to particular questions, it is always a good idea to try to give as much information as you have.
    For example, the date of the photo (if you know it), the name of Herbert’s wife, the place of his birth (again if you know it) etc.

    I am assuming that Herbert is of Ilkeston origin and that he married in the mid-1890’s, in or near Ilkeston.
    I have found a marriage at Christ Church, Cotmanhay on Oct 22nd 1893, between Herbert Cornelius Moore, aged 20, and Ellen Barnes, also aged 20.The marriage certificate usually gives the father’s name, and in this case, Herbert is the son of Herbert. He was therefore born around 1873.
    There is an alternative marriage at St Mary’s Church on Mar 12th 1898, between Herbert Moore and Hannah Tatham (admittedly not in the mid-1890’s)

    Looking at Ilkeston in 1939, we see that living at 30 Rutland St is Herbert Moore (born on Sept 24th 1877) with Hannah Moore, born on July 5th 1878. This couple appears to have had several children, including Herbert junior, Henry, Hilda, Elsie May, and Annie Frances (and Arthur William?)
    Herbert’s parents were William Moore and Sarah Ann Rigley who married on August 9th 1875 at St Mary’s Church.

    I am not sure if either of these Herberts is the one you are seeking however.

  6. Heidi Elbediwy Reply

    William Wheeldon and the Sanders family

    Good Afternoon,

    Can I please ask if you know anymore about the William Wheeldons that you have responded to before, also are you able to go back any further on the Sanders family who were intermarried with the Wheeldons it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Heidi Elbediwy.

    I am not sure of the previous response you are referring to in your message.
    William Wheeldon, baptised at St Mary’s Church on Feb 8th 1815 is found on early censuses living at Kimberley, Notts as a lacemaker, with his wife Mary (nee Birkin) whom he married , Jan 26th 1834, at the same church.
    Looking at their children, it seems that the family also spent time in Stapleford, Notts, before moving back to Ilkeston, where they can be found on the 1861 census.
    His first wife died in Oxford St, Ilkeston on Jul 19th 1863.
    William then remarried, to widow, Elizabeth Herring (nee Fletcher) on May 16th 1864, again at St Mary’s Church.
    William died in Oxford St, Ilkeston, on Mar 5th 1867, aged 52.
    William, I believe, was the son of Samuel and Sarah (nee Hunt)

    William and Mary’s first child, Amos Wheeldon, married Sarah Sanders in 1856.
    She was born in Ilkeston in 1834, daughter of William and Lucy Sergeant (nee Mills)
    William (and many other of the Sanders family) was a gardener, born in Ilkeston and baptised Dec 17th 1796. He died on Jun 13th 1860.
    He was the son of William (also a gardener) and Ann (nee Raynor) who had married in 1786.
    William the elder died on Apr 26th 1812, aged 51. He left a will which can be viewed online. (eg at Findmypast)
    It is reported that William the elder was the son of another gardener Joseph Sanders/Saunders … this piece of information comes from the papers of Edgar Waterhouse, a celebrated Ilkeston historian who wrote a series of articles for the Ilkeston Pioneer in 1934.
    I hope this helps but as I indicated earlier, I was not sure of what you were seeking.

    • heidi elbediwy Reply

      Wheeldon and Sanders families
      good morning,

      I have done some more research on the Wheeldon and Sanders families. I discovered that William Sanders who lived at the old thatch cottage had a small zoo in the back garden with a monkey which liked to ride on the back of dogs. Also I found his rents and property logs which showed that a lot of his tenants were gardeners like him, but I would assume this meant there was land to maintain rather than just maintaining other peoples garden. With the Wheeldon family I found that William George Wheeldon was a silk manufacture and owner of the business. His father Amos worked as a silk maker but as far as I know did not own the factory so I am really curious how this came about.

      Thank you Heidi

      Dave replied,
      Heidi, this is fascinating stuff. I am really interested to know what sources you looked at to find this informtion … unless it is Top Secret !!
      Great work. I will put your comments onto the site if you don’t mind (at the Wheeldon and Sanders families pages)

      • heidi elbediwy Reply

        Hi Dave,

        I went to the local studies library in Ilkeston and worked my way through the reference cards and micro film. I will be going back to continue in the next few weeks. if I find out anymore I will update you. I will make notes of the references as well and send these to you. More than happy to share anything I find 🙂

        Thank you Heidi

  7. Phil Henshaw Reply

    Johnsons and Henshaws in Ilkeston

    Hi Dave
    Recently found the Old Ilkeston site which is a great resource for those interested both in the history of the town and others who are tracing their ancestors. So big thanks to you and others for making it available.
    My great grandfather was Arthur Reuban Johnson who was quite a character in the town for some years.
    I’m looking for more information on Samuel Henshaw 1811 d 1877 who married Matilda Barton in 1829. Would anybody have anything about his parents? Samuel was variously a Hawker, Ag Lab and fishmonger amongst other things.

    Phil Henshaw

    Dave replied off-line but maybe others have more information ?? (There are a lot of Henshaws in Ilkeston !!)

  8. Cathy Jury Reply

    Grace Carrier

    Thank you for this excellent website. I have found this very interesting as my grandmother was Grace Carrier. She was granddaughter to John Mellors Carrier b.1849 in Basford, who ran a grocer’s shop in Bailey St.
    His g.g.grandparents were John Carrier & Esther (nee Woollin).

    Thank you for the compliment ..
    And I too found your post very interesting. It informed me of a branch of the Carrier family I was unaware of.
    I have a listing of the marriage of John Carrier and Esther Woolin and of their children … but John Mellors Carrier was new to me.
    If you would like to share what you know of him I would be most grateful. I suppose his mother was a ‘Mellors’ (Sarah Mellors married to Henry Carrier ?) but what then ?


  9. Mike Reply

    Antoine Gerbaud

    First off, thank you for this brilliant resource! My question is about Antoine Gerbaud – please do you know where in the cemetery he is buried? I paid a quick visit and couldn’t spot his headstone. Many thanks.

    Several thousand people were buried in the Stanton Road Cemetery before it was closed. As you probably saw from your visit, very few monuments remain and the majority of the graves were unmarked.
    As far as I am aware Antoine’s grave fell into this category. He was buried in the 3rd class section of the cemetery — that is in the far part of the cemetery, furthest from the entrance gate. It is almost impossible to place its location accurately.
    In the reference section of Ilkeston Library there is a book listing the ‘existing’ memorials found in the cemetery — as it was written many years ago, some of those memorials might well have disappeared. However, there is no memorial listed for Antoine.
    I hope this answered your query. If I can help in any further way, do please ask.

  10. Andrew Winfield Reply

    Uncle Bill Lacey, ‘Mayor of Cotmanhay’
    Dear Dave
    This may be a bit recent for your site’s Victorian remit but do you have any information about a man my father knew as “Uncle Bill”? Dad says his surname was Lacey (exact spelling not verified) and he held the title “Mayor of Cotmanhay” around the 1930s.
    Dad recalls visiting Uncle Bill in the mid to late 30s and having to sit quietly under the table with the other children while the adults had afternoon tea above!
    We have a formal photo of Uncle Bill in a mayoral chain but nothing written on it. The internet and genealogy sites have drawn a blank so we may have some wrong data – maybe Bill or William was a middle name for example, or perhaps my search technique needs sharpening!
    He was not Dad’s direct uncle but we think is a real relative – my best guess from your census information is there may be a connection to Lacey via the surname Sisson (we think Dad’s great-grandmother’s maiden name, married to one Edwin Elliot) but that seems too far back and William Lacey is a very common name in history.
    If you have any additional Lacey family member names or dates I can use to narrow the search and make the link to our family tree, if indeed there is a link, that would be appreciated.

    Thankfully the clues you gave seem to have been very useful.
    There was a marriage of Jemima Sisson to Edwin Elliott in 1866 at Sheffield. I believe that Jemima was the daughter of John and Sarah (Fretwell) married in 1837 at Eastwood. The family were living in Ilkeston on the 1851 census before moving up to Yorkshire.
    Edwin (or Edward) Elliott was born in Dodworth, Barnsley about 1840. After the marriage the Elliotts lived in the Rotherham area for a while before moving (in the mid 1870’s) back to live in the West Hallam/Stanley Common area.
    They had several children — one of them was Emma Elliott, born about 1873 in the Barnsley area.
    Now in 1893, while the family was living in Stanley Common, Emma married William Lacey junior (born Mar 24 1872), a coalminer of Cotmanhay, the son of William senior (and Ruth nee Straw).
    William and Emma went to live at 13 Wesley St in Cotmanhay and were there on the 1901/1911 censuses.
    They had many children — Mabel Ruth, William Harold, Mary, Ernest, Hilda, Clarence, Evelyn, Alvin, Aubrey, Lawrence, Irene (and possibly others I’ve missed out).
    By 1939 Emma had died (possibly in 1939) but William Lacey was living at 12 Wesley St. Next door to him, at number 13, was his son, William Harold, who had married Sarah Ann Quinn (born in Feb 1896) — with them was Sarah’s father Patrick, (born May 7th 1868)
    As you can see there were several William Laceys here — oerhaps we are on the right track and one of them is the ‘Mayor of Cotmanhay.
    I hope something here rings a bell with you.

    Andrew replied ….
    Excellent thanks Dave, much appreciated. That fits perfectly – most of my great-grandparents (which include Mary Elliott) ended their days in Stanley Common.

  11. Sue Bowen Reply

    George Simpson of Ilkeston ?

    I don’t suppose you have unearthed a George Simpson anywhere in your travels? I have one that died in Newark-on-Trent in 1849. He shows in the 1841 census as not born in county and I have searched an searched to find out where he came from. Birth is shown as 1804 according to the census. He was a witness to one John Simpson’s marriage in Newark, and John was from Ilkestone, father was Willoughby Simpson. I so wanted them to be brothers but cannot find a George born in Ilkestone.

    Dave replied …
    I can’t seem to locate your George Simpson born about 1804 (presumably living at Newark) nor his death there in 1849 … the only death I see is for one born about 1795 (aged 54 when he died in 1849).
    There are several Willoughbys associated with Ilkeston and there is a George, baptised in 1814 at Saxilby in Lincolnshire … he was the son of Joseph Simpson, born in Ilkeston about 1776, and Sarah (nee Hawley), who married in Ilkeston in 1802. Joseph left a will dated 1826 which is on line and which mentions several of his children.
    The problem with many of the Simpsons of Ilkeston is that the male members were often boatmen and this occupation took them out of Ilkeston with their families, often to places in neighbouring Nottinghamshire and into Lincolnshire … so they are especially difficult to locate on the 1841 census.
    If you have more detail of the Simpsons you mention, we might be able to unearth more.

  12. Steven Henman Reply

    Henry William Smith and Chapel Row

    Hello Dave,

    What a great site this is that I have just stumbled across today whilst researching my family history. Well done to everyone involved.
    I used to live in Long Eaton and visited Ilkeston not realising some of my ancestors lived in the town. I’m gathering a lot of good information from my ancestery membership but does anyone have any pictures of 1 Chapel Row on Chapel Street from around 1900 as Henry William Smith (my great grandfather appears at the address in the 1911 census as a 15 year old boy. His occupation is a coal miner pony driver underground. Any idea which pit he would have worked? thanks for any help.

    Dave replied ……

    I can see William Smith on the 1911 census at Chapel St Row. … the son of William and Elizabeth (Richards). It appears that his birth was registered as William and he is on the 1901 census as William, so he must have added the ‘Henry’ at some time.

    I don’t know how well you know Ilkeston but … most of the area you are interested in has now been knocked down and built over. If you use Google to go down Chapel Street from Bath Street, you see Baker St on your right and Chapel St Row was on your left, just about where the present-day Chapel St ends.
    I have attached a map of 1880/81 showing Chapel St Row and Lodge Row, Now if you go to Picture the Past (for Derbyshire) (https://picturethepast.org.uk/image-library/image-details/poster/dccs000702/posterid/dccs000702.html) you will find a photo of the area (Lodge Row and Chapel St Row) shown in the map, from the same viewpoint. I’m afraid its from 1973 and not 1911 … I dare say the area didn’t change much before it was knocked down. I think you might struggle to get a photo of that period.

    As far as the coalmine/pit is concerned … well as the only clue is that Henry William was a coalminer, it really could be anywhere, though I suspect it would be in Ilkeston …. perhaps Manners Colliery ?! but I am just guessing. There were several pits in what is now the Manners Avenue area ( a large industrial estate now).
    There is a site you might find useful ..(http://www.healeyhero.co.uk/rescue/pits/manner.htm) — if you click on ‘contents’ and then ‘pits’, you could search for ‘Manners’ or ‘Rutland’ or ‘Ilkeston’ or what ever you like.

  13. Fred Pringle Reply

    Ilkeston’s hosiery industry

    Hi Dave,

    I have the Booths booklets from the printer. It is 88 A5 pages in length. It covers; Ilkeston`s early hosiery roots, the foundation of Booths after WW1, expansion during the inter-war period, the development of technology and machinery, the impact of WW2, the work of the knitters, the mechanics and the finishing skills, the Booth family and the management structure, the products and the trade marks, the marketing strategies, publicity via celebreties, the human resources and the welfare regime,and an assessment of the reasons for decline. Many families and key persons involved with Booths figure so it may be of some interest to viewers of your web site. Ilkeston Library have a few copies for sale or anyone interested could contact me.

    Thanks for your help and advice,

    Fred (frederickpringle@blueyonder.co.uk)

  14. Sue Marshall Reply

    The Severns at Strelley

    For Alan Smith, re John Severn. For interest, there is a John Severn buried in All Saints churchyard, Strelley village. He was buried on 16 Dec 1916 and his wife Sarah on 5 Jun 1898. The burials in the old churchyard surrounding All Saints (as against the ‘new’ one immediately across the road) are listed in “A Short History and Guide to All Saints Church, Strelley” by David Clifford. It is a fascinating and well-researched read in itself; it is available from All Saints (see open times on website) or from Moorley Printing via Amazon.
    From Sue Marshall, All Saints congregation member

    • Alan Smith Reply

      Thanks for that Sue, your time and information is much appreciated. Alan

  15. Jan Le-Van Smith Reply

    Henry Smith, senior and junior, of Bramcote
    Hi Dave,
    Jan Smith here again from sunny France, I’m doing quite nicely with my Smith branches, although Henry Smith circa 1819 is still alluding all attempts to find his parents.
    His son Henry married Emma Luckcuck and lived in Ilkeston, they had 4 sons, John Henry, Fredrick, Percy & Frank.
    I think Frank was killed in France 6/11/18 but how can I check its the right Frank Smith, is it possible to find a copy of his joining up papers and if so please can you point me in the right direction of where to look, and if it is the right Frank would I be able to find a war grave do you think?
    Thanks in advance and hope all is well with you.. Jan Smith

    ps I noticed someone was asking about Eyers. Percy married Martha Eyres is that anything to do with the person they are looking for?

    Dave replied …
    I recall Henry Smith … a Smith from outside Ilkeston as I remember.
    I have just checked again and his son Henry junior with his wife Emma Jane and family aren’t living in Ilkeston after the marriage. They lived in Marlpool on the outskirts of Heanor (again not my ‘speciality’)
    Heanor and Ilkeston fall into the same Basford Registration District although they are separated by several miles.

    I attach some enlistment papers for Frank Smith … the key is that his birth was registered as Frank Miller Smith in 1892 (brothers Frederick Sabin 1884 and Percy Claud 1890) … they were all baptised at St Laurance Church, Heanor on June 1st 1893.

    I think that Frank survived the war (he may have won a gallantry award).
    There is a marriage for Frank Miller Smith to Doris Wood in 1921 at St Mary’s Church, Ilkeston.
    They may have had a daughter, Ann Cerise Miller Smith, born in 1927 at Stratford, Warwickshire.
    On the 1939 Register the family is at Stravon, School Street, Rugby, where Frank is headmaster (his birth date given as Nov 15th 1892)

    PS There are a few further references to headmaster Frank Miller Smith on the newspapers of the 1930’s and 1940’s … if you have Findmypast or a similar site.

    Best wishes,

  16. Lynne Warren (Rigley) Reply

    William Hawkins and Rutland Iron Foundry

    Hi Dave,

    I’ve just read with great interest the article on William Hawkins and the Rutland Iron Foundry. William was my grandfather’s grandfather, and although I’ve not had great success in finding anything out about the Foundry on the internet, I was inspired to look this evening after visiting the Erewash Museum today. I went to see the photograph of William Hawkins (while visiting Ilkeston), but unfortunately it is currently in storage. Your article has so much information in one place, and that was wonderful to see!

    By a strange coincidence, I am from Ontario where some of the other Hawkins descendants were born, and I’m wondering if it’s possible to connect us? S Hawkins is a great grandchild of William and Ann, and their first child Eliza was my great grandmother. It would be wonderful to share information and make a family connection. (I have seen a copy of William’s will, and he died in 1919.)

    Thank you for your site!

    Dave replied…

    I am pleased to see that you found this site of some use Lynne. Sadly I have lost the email address of ‘S Hawkins’ .. I would gladly have tried to put you in contact.
    I will of course post your comment and hope that some contact follows … with any ‘Hawkins’ connection.

    P.S. If you have any further detail on William’s death or on his will, please do feel free to share it

  17. George Robey Reply

    John Robey of Robey’s Yard

    Hi Dave & Team

    very interested in your article about Robey’s yard. I’m researching my family name (Robey) and the connection between my side of the family and its Trent Valley origins. Can you share with me the information that you have about John Robey and his parentage as I had previously had him as the son of James Robey and Mary Sylvester rather than John Robey & Mary Dunnicliffe (whose son William (1819-1906) moved to London sometime around 1841) and is my 2x Grandfather.
    The link back to John & Mary Dunnicliffe has proved to be very troublesome so I’m naturally very interested in the information that you have.
    Thanks for an excellent site.

    Reply … George,

    If we start with the John’s marriage … this was to Hannah Bower on Nov 17th 1844 at Radford Parish Church in Nottingham. The details describe him as a gardener of Hyson Green, the son of John, also a gardener. Hannah was the daughter of Gervis/Jervis and Hannah (nee Bower), a cattle dealer living in the Little Hallam/Kensington area of Ilkeston at that time (Gervis was born in Trowell, Notts)
    The first (and only?) child of John and Hannah was born in Ilkeston … he was John Bower Robey, born on Aug 13th 1850 and baptised at St Mary’s Church on Sept 12th 1850. On that same day father John was also baptised .. the records of St Mary show he was the son of John (another gardener !!) and Mary, born on June 8th 1824.
    So we have three Johns … grandfather, father and son. From census returns it looks like grandfather was born in Melbourne, father was born either in Melbourne or in Nottingham while son was born in Ilkeston.
    Hannah Robey (nee Bower) died in March 1881 and I believe that widower John remarried to widow Frances Hargreaves (nee Lowe) later in that same year … at Babbington Chapel near Awsworth, Notts. (I don’t have details of that marriage).

    Does this help? If you need more information and I might be able to add it, please do ask.


  18. Alan Reply

    William Toplis/s

    Very interesting blog and atrove of information.
    I was wondering if you had any further information on William Topliss who was a Pupil Teacher at the British School on Bath Street. From what I can gather William was the Great Uncle of Percy Topliss – the so-called Monocled Mutineer. I have found William in the census of 1961 (1861?) living at 61 South Street with Ann Topliss (widow) and Herbert Topliss (Percy’s grandfather). Ann was their grandmother (her husband George appears to have died) According to the 1871 Census he appears to have moved to Marylebone, London where his profession is listed as ‘Butler’. This seemed such a departure I was wondering if there was some logic to it. He was living at Seymour Place which I believe has some links to the nonconformity/congregationalist movement under Wakefield’s John Goodwyn Barmby. His young family shared a house with a Benjamin Mordecai – a Covent Garden ‘fruit merchant’. Happy to share the census info.
    Witnesses said Percy was very fond of religious hymns and they made up the bulk of his repertoire on the piano.

    Thanks for sharing this information.
    If you look again at the information on William Toplis on the Old Ilkeston site (at Burgin’s Yard and Row) you will see that William died in 1866 while Herbert moved to Oldham, Lancashire.
    I believe that the William Topliss living at Seymour Place on the 1871 census cannot therefore be the ‘Ilkeston William’ … your William was born in Shardlow (not Ilkeston) and you can find him on the 1861 and 1851 census, the latter showing him living with his parents William and Mary, and his siblings, at Shardlow. You will find that he was baptised at Shardlow St. James Church on Mar 24th 1844.
    In sum therefore, I believe that the ‘Monocled Mutineer’ didn’t have Ilkeston connections.

  19. Alan Morris Reply

    Ball and Davis families

    It’s fascinating to have found such a well organised and researched website as yours. Thank you
    After more than 20 months of research and two mistaken trails I finally found the lineage of my Great-Grandmother Caroline Davis. Her father who I identified courtesy of Census and Ilkeston Non-Conformist records was Frank Davis, born 1817 of John and I think Ann (Riley). Her mother Sarah Ann Ball was born in Loughborough in 1820 and married Frank in Nottingham in 1838.
    Given that there are so many Balls in the Ilkeston website and that it is clear that both her family and that of Frank were engaged in the Lace industry (he had moved to Loughborough by 1841 and is described as a Warp Machine Engineer in later census records in South East London), I am trying to establish the connection of the Loughborough Balls to those of Ilkeston.
    I’d also like to know of any lines of research that may better establish the family line of Frank who was apparently born in Shipley Wood.
    One other question that someone may be able to help with are the names Alexander and Rueben (sometimes together) that crop up across the Davis family and their descendants for at least 3 generations.

    Reply from Dave …
    At present, I can’t see a connection between the Balls of Loughborough and any of the families in Ilkeston.

    I agree that Frank was the (youngest) child of John and Ann (Riley) who married in February 1805 at Heanor.
    His older siblings were Joseph (b1806) who married Elizabeth Bradley in 1825; George (1808) who married Mary Ann Bradley, Elizabeth’s sister, in 1827; James (1810) who married Charlotte Beardsley in 1828; and Mary Ann (1813) who married Benjamin Simpson in 1833, then John Williams in 1838, and then George Dutton in 1840.

    I know that there are others much better informed than me about families in Heanor/ Shipley/ Marlpool etc. Let’s hope they might help ?

  20. Janet Pritchard Reply

    John Wigley from who knows where ??

    Good Morning,
    I am from Australia and searching for a John Wigley born around 1796 he was a Commercial Clerk by trade, married a Harriott Porter in 1824 Birmingham with children in the 1841 Census born out of county, can’t find him and where he came from have all other details. Their son George Henry Wigley married a Mariam Cross from Stebbing and came out to Australia onboard the Vessel Netherby which was wrecked near Kings Island at the bottom of Australia, no lives were lost a truly great story. Your Web page is truly remarkable.
    Kindest Regards,
    Janet Pritchard

    Reply from Dave ….
    There is no obvious connection between your John Wigley and the Wigleys of Ilkeston.
    I have located him on the 1841 census, with his family, and then his children on the 1851 census, living as a group, without their parents … presumably dead ?
    With the exception of John they all have Birmingham connections …. really John could have been born anywhere.
    Sometimes marriage details show if one of the parties was a ‘foreigner/sojourner’ and might show their parish ?
    Sorry to perpetuate your brick wall.
    Perhaps someone else reading this has an idea ??


  21. Pip Reply

    The grave of Samuel Whitehead.

    I was very interested in your Samuel whiteheads story..I have looking for the graves of old WATERLOO local veterans .I have looked around St Mary’s Ilkeston but couldn’t find the graves. Have you any idea where it might be.?

    Reply from Dave.

    The grave of Samuel was located not in the main churchyard of St. Mary’s but in the extension Churchyard. This is to be found on the other side of Chalons Way. It can be accessed by a variety of routes.

    I remember seeing the grave several years ago when it was in plain sight and the stone was relatively easy to read. The extension has been neglected in recent years I believe and the stone may be overgrown or have disappeared.


    Pip replied ….
    Thank you .I will try and have another look.

  22. Zena Joyce nee Duro Reply

    The Nag’s Head and the Duro family
    This is a brilliant website, I have been working on the Duro family tree and found William and Lucretia who owned the Nag’s Head. I used to go drinking in there with my girl friends in the 1970’s and never knew that my ancestors had been Landlord and Landlady in around 1865. This website has also given me the next generation as William’s parents were Richard and Mary nee Beardsley so I am hoping to go back further than 1813 which is when William was born.
    Thank you so much.

    Thank you for these supportive and kind comments.
    I think I visited most Ilkeston pubs in my teens but I can never recall gracing the Nag’s Head with my custom — or the Prince of Wales opposite.


  23. beverle Tracey ne henson Reply

    The Henson family

    I’m new to all this but I’ve been searching family on my dads side .there seems to be a lot my dad George was one of nine children his dad Richard Alfred was born in 1896 married Harriet Waterall .Richard a dad is also called Richard and his dad is Richard most of my family are from Ilkeston or surrounding areas
    I didn’t know dad well but have recently found his siblings families
    We are having a reunion of the Henson line in July
    I was wondering if you know of any stories relating to any of the Henson’s
    It would be great to get an invite into there lives as I know very little at the moment x thanks for reading x

    • Dave Reply


      As you can see I have put your post on the site, in the hope that someone may be able to help/reply with information.

      Looking at the records on line, it seems to me that your dad George was born on Oct 12th 1929 and at the beginning of the Second World War was living with his family in the Eastwood district.
      At that time his father Richard Alfred (born Jan 3rd 1896) was a coalminer. With him was wife Harriet (Dec 18th 1894) and George’s siblings, Richard Alfred junr (May 4th 1919); Isaac (Apr 30 1921); Reginald (Aug 30th 1923); Jasper Melbourn (Oct 18th 1924); Dorothy (1932); June (1934); Barry (1938) (There was another child, Joan, born in 1927 but she appears to have died in 1929?)

      It seems that Harriet Henson (nee Wateral) was an Ilkeston lass, the daughter of coalminer Joel and Mary Eliza (nee Hardy), and lived most of her early life in Grass Street, Ilkeston.

      Perhaps there is someone who could add more detail for you?


  24. Dawn Turner Reply

    Heanor Road industries

    Hi Dave

    Firstly thanks to you and everybody else who’s helped put this great resource together. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed visiting it many times.

    I wonder if you can shed any light on something for me. I am based in Shed 2 Studios which the middle of three buildings up an alleyway to the left side of Norton Plastics old factory on Heanor Road.

    I understand that these three buildings belonged to the factory, certainly in the WW2 days, and that our particular unit was ‘British Restaurant’ as well as school dining for Holy Trinity and Granby.

    I can find a reasonable amount of history on the factory, and even found evidence that the first building (now Jane Stapleton Photography , was the plumbers) was built prior to our building and the one next door which adjoins across the back – I came across a map online showing only that building, but later maps show all three.

    What I cannot find is this – at the apex, all three buildings have a round window. The first building has been modernised, so haven’t seen it’s original. The third building’s window was boarded up a long while ago.

    Ours has a six pointed star, looks like the Star Of David. I can’t find if this is significant in any way, and wondered if you could shed any light?

    I don’t actually know whether all three buildings were built whilst owned by Baileys, or subsequently under the Hewitt’s or Carriers.

    Many thanks if you can help!

    • Dave Reply


      I can’t help with your specific question but I have put your comment onto the web site.
      Perhaps there is a reader who might be able to provide some answers.
      In the meantime I will send you some ‘general’ information on this factory complex off site.


  25. clare sharp Reply

    George Clay Smith

    I have been researching George smith who murdered his father in 1861 and came across Early/mid-Victorian Ilkeston and its people. in it you state that georges brother married lizzie riley. I have him marrying ruth Hutchinson and is with his wifes father on the census records in 1871.
    Henry Smith

    Age:28 /Estimated birth year:abt 1843 /Relation:Lodger /Spouse’s Name:Ruth Smith /Gender:Male /Where born:Ilkeston, Derbyshire,England /Civil Parish:Ilkeston /Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary /Town:Ilkeston /County/Island:Derbyshire /Country:England /Registration district:Basford /Sub-registration district:Ilkeston ED, institution, or vessel:11 /Household schedule number:277/Piece:3482 /Folio:68 /Page Number:56 /

    Household Members:
    Thomas Hutchinson 59
    Sarah Hutchinson 55
    Catherine Hutchinson 17
    Henry Smith 28
    Ruth Smith 26
    Annie Smith 5
    Obadiah Smith 3
    Agnes Smith 1


    Dave replied …

    Henry Smith, the son of cordwainer Joseph Smith, married Elizabeth Riley on Nov 27th 1867 at Christ Church, Cotmanhay. If you look at the marriage details you will see that they fit. Like his father he was a shoemaker all his working life.
    There were other Henry Smiths born in Ilkeston around 1842/43/44.
    The Henry Smith who married Ruth Hutchinson did so at Ilkeston Baptist Chapel on June 20th 1865 (I believe) … I think he was the son of William but you would need to see the marriage details to confirm that .. he was a coalminer and lived with his in-laws and then eventually moved to Hunslet, Leeds with his wife Ruth and family.

    And Clare replied …
    Thanks for the reply and I worked it out I was wrong. I am a relative of theirs so was important for me to figure it out. thanks anyway.

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